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Which of these states do you feel should be on the naughty list, select up to 10

Alabama
- 1 (0%)
Arizona
- 5 (0.1%)
Alaska
- 0 (0%)
Arkansas
- 1 (0%)
California
- 592 (12.1%)
Colorado
- 254 (5.2%)
Connecticut
- 351 (7.2%)
Delaware
- 84 (1.7%)
Florida
- 4 (0.1%)
Georgia
- 2 (0%)
Hawaii
- 321 (6.5%)
Idaho
- 0 (0%)
Illinois
- 532 (10.8%)
Indiana
- 5 (0.1%)
Iowa
- 7 (0.1%)
Kansas
- 2 (0%)
Kentucky
- 1 (0%)
Louisiana
- 1 (0%)
Maine
- 18 (0.4%)
Maryland
- 270 (5.5%)
Massachusetts
- 449 (9.1%)
Michigan
- 97 (2%)
Minnesota
- 25 (0.5%)
Mississippi
- 1 (0%)
Missouri
- 8 (0.2%)
Montana
- 1 (0%)
Nebraska
- 2 (0%)
Nevada
- 11 (0.2%)
New Hampshire
- 3 (0.1%)
New Jersey
- 490 (10%)
New Mexico
- 10 (0.2%)
New York
- 585 (11.9%)
North Carolina
- 14 (0.3%)
North Dakota
- 1 (0%)
Ohio
- 30 (0.6%)
Oklahoma
- 1 (0%)
Oregon
- 55 (1.1%)
Pennsylvania
- 35 (0.7%)
Rhode Island
- 139 (2.8%)
South Carolina
- 1 (0%)
South Dakota
- 0 (0%)
Tennessee
- 1 (0%)
Texas
- 3 (0.1%)
Utah
- 3 (0.1%)
Vermont
- 24 (0.5%)
Virginia
- 8 (0.2%)
West Virginia
- 2 (0%)
Wisconsin
- 16 (0.3%)
Wyoming
- 3 (0.1%)
Washington, DC
- 363 (7.4%)
Washington
- 77 (1.6%)

Total Members Voted: 619

Voting closed: May 27, 2013, 06:17:13 PM


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Author Topic: Establishing the Naughty List  (Read 43575 times)

ModernSurvival

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Establishing the Naughty List
« on: February 26, 2013, 06:17:13 PM »

Before voting or complaining about the list PLEASE read this post in full.   ;)


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Q - What is the goal of this poll?

A - To determine by popular vote of the founding members of the forum a list of the 5-10 worst states for liberty, this includes financial liberty, constitutional rights and general freedoms.  Right now we do not know if the list of states on the naughty list will be 5 states, 8 states or 10.  It will depend on the voting results.

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Q - I think many of these states belong on the naughty list, how many do I get to vote for?

A - Up to 10 but you don't have to, hey we believe in freedom here.  You can vote for 1, 3, 8 or 10 or any number in between.  This is a form of approval voting or more accurately in this case disapproval voting. 

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Q - Why are all the states on this list?

A - To make this fair and avoid my personal bias I simply put all the states on the list in alphabetical order.  It is up to the founders of this movement to pick the 5-10 worst states for freedom and liberty.  My instinct is there will be a very strong agreement on the bottom 5-10 states in the final results. 

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Q - Is this list permanent?

A - I expect that we will vote annually on the naughty list, but only time will tell.

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Q - Can I change my votes?

A - Yes until the poll closes in 90 days you can.  To do so you will see an option on the left right under the poll (if you are logged in and have voted) it will say "remove vote", click that and then submit your new vote.

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Q - Are there any resources we can use to vote objectively?

A - Here are a few freedom indexes you can look at, feel free to post more of them in this thread. 

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

http://freedom.robocourt.com/

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/overall-freedom-ranking/

http://www.legalzoom.com/everyday-law/home-leisure/how-free-is-your-state

Again if you have more helpful indexes let us know.  As you will see most of the indexes have a large differential depending on how liberty is measured, yet the bottom 5 is pretty damn consistent. 

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Q - What is the big picture, what is the point here?

A - To establish a community of citizens that are willing to assist others in moving from the most oppressive states into states with greater liberty in all walks of life.  For a more clear vision read the post on this board titled "The Vision and Mission of WalkingToFreedom.com" here (link coming soon) and listen to this excert from "The Survival Podcast" outlining the initial vision.  (link coming soon)
« Last Edit: February 26, 2013, 06:20:17 PM by ModernSurvival »
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 03:02:15 AM »

I'm saving one vote for Washington, D. C.
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 02:25:12 PM »

I'm saving one vote for Washington, D. C.

I get it but don't think it is worth the effort.  Those that live in DC do so for a reason.  Very few are producers of anything. 
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 06:15:32 PM »

I'm saving one vote for Washington, D. C.

I get it but don't think it is worth the effort.  Those that live in DC do so for a reason.  Very few are producers of anything.

Biggest net exporter of TYRANNY in the US of A!
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 12:51:55 AM »

Excessive goverment control and taxation was one of the main reasons I left the Chicagoland area of IL to move to Michigan.  I am very happy here, we do what we want and if you have a problem with your neighbor you go talk to them and work it out.
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2013, 12:55:42 AM »

A couple of other sites that you may want to look at are
http://www.retirementliving.com/taxes-by-state and http://smartgunlaws.org/category/gun-laws-policies/fifty-state-comparisons/

Retirement Living discusses taxes for each state from sales tax to cigarette tax.  I used their tax burden by state as a measuring stick. 

Smart Gun Laws is a pro-gun law site.  The site grades each state on the strengths of their gun laws.  It appears the more gun laws the better the grade.  Naturally those with higher grades have the most restrictive gun laws and were placed on my naughty list.

I am also saving a vote for DC. 
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2013, 01:13:08 AM »

Jack, this is such a great idea!

In 7 years I'll be free man and am looking forward to moving to the most free state that I can find when I retire from AD.  I believe that over the next few years, this project will help move things in the right direction...the naughty states will become more naughty - and loose strength within the union - and the free(er) states will become more free. 

- Alex Europa
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013, 03:24:27 AM »

Here is a breakdown of all 50 states:

http://mercatus.org/sites/all/modules/custom/mercatus_50_states/files/Freedom50States2011.pdf

It was partly written by Jason Sorens the founder of the Free State Project.  Its definitely worth a look. 

It seems like its easier to pick the bad states than it will be to pick the good states.   

Dan
« Last Edit: February 28, 2013, 03:27:31 AM by Dan Forrester »
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2013, 06:39:39 AM »

I'm saving one vote for Washington, D. C.

I get it but don't think it is worth the effort.  Those that live in DC do so for a reason.  Very few are producers of anything.

Biggest net exporter of TYRANNY in the US of A!

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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2013, 10:40:24 AM »

I lived in Massachusettes for nearly 20 years and I was like everyone else there when it came to guns. I thought that almost all of them were illegal.

I now live in Texas and know better!

I was there when Romneycare was implemented and everyone was like COOL! free healthcare. I was near to screaming at them that it wasn't free that it would come out of thier pay through taxes or as added taxes to items.

They didn't call it Taxachusettes for nothing.
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 05:39:16 PM »

Can we also have a Good Boys and Girls list?  I love the voting feature and would be interested in what others though, since I'm considering a move myself.
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 06:00:17 PM »

I agree the naughty list is easier than the good list when you consider the potential direction a state may go. That I why I am hesitant about Idaho, they are considering allowing China to have 50 square miles for production by their citizens. I know Obama wants this all over the country so establishing the good list will not only require current restrictions but how we can hold the tide of coming restrictions (with moving, laws, etc.).
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 10:06:41 PM »

Good timing, as I will be exiting California in the next couple months, due primarily to tax costs (though there are other factors as well, including some pretty wacky regulations.)

I'm drafting a letter as we speak, to share when the site is ready for it.

GN
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 12:29:59 AM »

What perfect timing! I'm looking for a better state to raise my boys in. Oregon just isn't the same state I grew up in anymore.
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Re: Establishing the Naughty List
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2013, 02:41:37 AM »

I love this! I really hope it will help people realize there are other places in this nation that do not believe in infringing upon their liberties. Thank you Jack!!
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